Impressive: https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/tiny-2040

RP2040 based
264k RAM
8M flash
12 IO pins incl 4x12-bit ADC
/Very/ small

According to

https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/reviews/pimoroni-tiny-2040-review

"Essentially the Pimoroni Tiny 2040 is a reduced Raspberry Pi Pico and
as such all of the tutorials and guides for writing code for the Pico
will work with Tiny 2040."


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On 25-02-2021 10:27, James Harris wrote:

Impressive: https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/tiny-2040

RP2040 based
264k RAM
8M flash
12 IO pins incl 4x12-bit ADC
/Very/ small

According to

  https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/reviews/pimoroni-tiny-2040-review

"Essentially the Pimoroni Tiny 2040 is a reduced Raspberry Pi Pico and
as such all of the tutorials and guides for writing code for the Pico
will work with Tiny 2040."

~2.5x the price, though. Is it worth it? I can think of:

+ small
+ reset button
+ usb-c
+ rgb led

- price
- fewer gpio
- no Vref
- no buck-boost converter
- components on the bottom, so castellated pads sorta useless

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On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 16:52:08 +0100, A. Dumas wrote:

On 25-02-2021 10:27, James Harris wrote:

Impressive: https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/tiny-2040

RP2040 based 264k RAM 8M flash 12 IO pins incl 4x12-bit ADC /Very/
small

According to

  https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/reviews/pimoroni-tiny-2040-review

"Essentially the Pimoroni Tiny 2040 is a reduced Raspberry Pi Pico and
as such all of the tutorials and guides for writing code for the Pico
will work with Tiny 2040."

~2.5x the price, though. Is it worth it? I can think of:

+ small + reset button + usb-c + rgb led

- price - fewer gpio - no Vref - no buck-boost converter - components on
the bottom, so castellated pads sorta useless

you missed 8mb v 2 mb flash



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Dana Thu, 25 Feb 2021 17:55:46 GMT, alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> napis'o:
[snip]

you missed 8mb v 2 mb flash

So... now waiting for Pico with 8mb flash. As a extre fresh new feature! V2.0!!!

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alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> wrote:

On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 16:52:08 +0100, A. Dumas wrote:

+ small + reset button + usb-c + rgb led

- price - fewer gpio - no Vref - no buck-boost converter - components on
the bottom, so castellated pads sorta useless

you missed 8mb v 2 mb flash

Ah yes, that's a big plus.

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On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 20:39:45 +0000, A. Dumas wrote:

alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> wrote:

On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 16:52:08 +0100, A. Dumas wrote:

+ small + reset button + usb-c + rgb led

- price - fewer gpio - no Vref - no buck-boost converter - components
on the bottom, so castellated pads sorta useless

you missed 8mb v 2 mb flash

Ah yes, that's a big plus.

I could do with something a bit physically smaller that the Pico, so the
Tiny looks good, but it needs to be able to handle at least two RC servos
so I need a couple of PWN outputs and two other lines for reading switch inputs. So, although at first glance this looks good, I can't see any indication that its still got PWM available on its remaining output
lines. The USB connector is fine for talking to a control box so I could
care less about RS232 capabilities.

At worst, if the Tiny can't drive the servos and the Pico turns out to be
too big, there's always a PICAXE M14 to fall back on, but it wants to be programmed in a rather nasty unsigned integer BASIC when I'd much rather
be programming in C.



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Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> wrote:

I could do with something a bit physically smaller that the Pico, so the
Tiny looks good, but it needs to be able to handle at least two RC servos
so I need a couple of PWN outputs and two other lines for reading switch inputs. So, although at first glance this looks good, I can't see any indication that its still got PWM available on its remaining output
lines. The USB connector is fine for talking to a control box so I could
care less about RS232 capabilities.

There are 16 pwm channels on the rp2040 chip which can be connected to any gpio. I'm sure that's still the same on the Tiny. So you have at least 8
pwm pins, or 11 if you count the rgb led. Not sure if the 4 adc pins can be reconfigured to be digital pwm, but I don't think so.

(The Tiny has one more adc pin than the Pico because it lacks the
buck-boost and hence the need to monitor the input voltage. Like (many/all/most?) small mcus, by the way, there is just one adc and the 4
pins are multiplexed.)

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On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 05:17:11 +0000, A. Dumas wrote:

There are 16 pwm channels on the rp2040 chip which can be connected to
any gpio. I'm sure that's still the same on the Tiny. So you have at
least 8 pwm pins, or 11 if you count the rgb led. Not sure if the 4 adc
pins can be reconfigured to be digital pwm, but I don't think so.

Thanks for the correction - I just looked at the pretty picture and, not
seeing PWM among all the other coloure blobs, thought it wasn't available.

(The Tiny has one more adc pin than the Pico because it lacks the
buck-boost and hence the need to monitor the input voltage. Like (many/all/most?) small mcus, by the way, there is just one adc and the 4
pins are multiplexed.)

Does this mean that, if I put 5v on pin 1 I'll see 3.3v on pin 3, but the reverse doesn't happen?

Yeah, I know I should Read The Fine Manual but I've got a few other
things (with deadlines attached) on my plate right now.


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On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 14:32:14 -0000 (UTC)
Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> wrote:

On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 05:17:11 +0000, A. Dumas wrote:

There are 16 pwm channels on the rp2040 chip which can be connected to
any gpio. I'm sure that's still the same on the Tiny. So you have at
least 8 pwm pins, or 11 if you count the rgb led. Not sure if the 4 adc
pins can be reconfigured to be digital pwm, but I don't think so.

Thanks for the correction - I just looked at the pretty picture and, not >seeing PWM among all the other coloure blobs, thought it wasn't available.

(The Tiny has one more adc pin than the Pico because it lacks the
buck-boost and hence the need to monitor the input voltage. Like
(many/all/most?) small mcus, by the way, there is just one adc and the 4
pins are multiplexed.)

Does this mean that, if I put 5v on pin 1 I'll see 3.3v on pin 3, but the >reverse doesn't happen?

That was the impression I got, doing a fairly rapid skim of the data.

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Martin Gregorie wrote:

Does this mean that, if I put 5v on pin 1 I'll see 3.3v on pin 3, but the reverse doesn't happen?

I presume so, as it'll have to drop the USB 5V to 3.3V anyway.

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On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 15:50:17 +0000, Folderol wrote:

On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 14:32:14 -0000 (UTC)
Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> wrote:

On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 05:17:11 +0000, A. Dumas wrote:

There are 16 pwm channels on the rp2040 chip which can be connected to
any gpio. I'm sure that's still the same on the Tiny. So you have at
least 8 pwm pins, or 11 if you count the rgb led. Not sure if the 4
adc pins can be reconfigured to be digital pwm, but I don't think so.

Thanks for the correction - I just looked at the pretty picture and, not >>seeing PWM among all the other coloure blobs, thought it wasn't
available.

(The Tiny has one more adc pin than the Pico because it lacks the
buck-boost and hence the need to monitor the input voltage. Like
(many/all/most?) small mcus, by the way, there is just one adc and the
4 pins are multiplexed.)

Does this mean that, if I put 5v on pin 1 I'll see 3.3v on pin 3, but
the reverse doesn't happen?

That was the impression I got, doing a fairly rapid skim of the data.

Close enough
Putting poweing the 3v pin will not get you a 5v output form either board.

The pico has a pin - VSYS which is connected to a Buck/boost converter &
will accept 2V to 5.5V & regulate it to the required V3.3 (this will be
great for battery powered equipment)

The Tiny does not have this pin (or type of regulator) so does not need
to use one of the ADC pins to monitor & control it



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On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 12:06:17 +0000, alister wrote:


For those planning to use a Pico or Tiny device as a portable
application, it may be useful to take a look at the Ansmann 1307-0002 Li-
Ion 18650 Battery. GThe 18650 spec describes a cylindrical cell, 19mm
diameter by 70mm long. Its a 3.6V 2600mAh with Micro USB charging socket
in the side at the positive end and can supply up to 5000mA. Currently
they're selling for around a tenner (P&P + VAT extra.



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