Re: Re: routing to points
By: Digital Man to Kurt Weiske on Fri Feb 17 2023 10:59 am

With this change (apparently as the result of a suggestion or request by Alterego), if the destination address is 1:2/3.1, but our local system has an AKA of 1:2/3.2, no routing would occur (to a boss node or based on explicit routing configured in echocfg->Linked Nodes) and that seems like a bug to me. But still unrelated to your observations.

Why does that seem to be a bug?


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Re: Re: routing to points
By: deon to Digital Man on Sat Feb 18 2023 10:30 am

Re: Re: routing to points
By: Digital Man to Kurt Weiske on Fri Feb 17 2023 10:59 am

With this change (apparently as the result of a suggestion or request by Alterego), if the destination address is 1:2/3.1, but our local system has an AKA of 1:2/3.2, no routing would occur (to a boss node or based on explicit routing configured in echocfg->Linked Nodes) and that seems like a bug to me. But still unrelated to your observations.

Why does that seem to be a bug?

I would think if my system had an AKA of 1:2/3.2 and I wanted to send a netmail to 1:2/3.1, it should still be auto-routed to the boss note (1:2/3.0) by default. No?
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Re: Re: routing to points
By: Digital Man to deon on Fri Feb 17 2023 04:18 pm

Why does that seem to be a bug?

I would think if my system had an AKA of 1:2/3.2 and I wanted to send a netmail to 1:2/3.1, it should still be auto-routed to the boss note (1:2/3.0) by default. No?

So you cant have a direct link to 1:2/3.1?


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So you cant have a direct link to 1:2/3.1?

not unless you have a point list with 1:2/3.1fni noitcennoc s'
connection info in it.

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I would think if my system had an AKA of 1:2/3.2 and I wanted to send a netmai
to 1:2/3.1, it should still be auto-routed to the boss note (1:2/3.0) by defau
. No?

I would certainly think so.


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deon wrote to Digital Man <=-

So you cant have a direct link to 1:2/3.1?

You can, if you specify 1:2/3.1 in echocfg and provide a source address.

There seems to have been some definition drift with points. When I
started out, the whole idea behind a point was to have a mail-only or
private system that wasn't accessible during ZMH, or wasn't up 24/7. The
point initiated contact with the boss, and the point was, by design, unreachable by systems using a nodelist.

The point would connect to the boss, not vice versa. Everything that was
to go to the point was routed through the boss first. No one, even the
boss, would need a direct route to the point.



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Re: Re: routing to points
By: deon to Digital Man on Sat Feb 18 2023 10:05 pm

Re: Re: routing to points
By: Digital Man to deon on Fri Feb 17 2023 04:18 pm

Why does that seem to be a bug?

I would think if my system had an AKA of 1:2/3.2 and I wanted to send a netmail to 1:2/3.1, it should still be auto-routed to the boss note (1:2/3.0) by default. No?

So you cant have a direct link to 1:2/3.1?

Sure, but I also might not. The way this requested-enhancement was implemented, it wouldn't make any difference: the mail would not be routed to the boss.
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Re: Re: routing to points
By: John Guillory to deon on Sat Feb 18 2023 08:33 am

not unless you have a point list with 1:2/3.1fni noitcennoc s'
connection info in it.

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Re: Re: routing to points
By: Digital Man to deon on Sat Feb 18 2023 11:38 am

Why does that seem to be a bug?

I would think if my system had an AKA of 1:2/3.2 and I wanted to send a netmail to 1:2/3.1, it should still be auto-routed to the boss note (1:2/3.0) by default. No?

So you cant have a direct link to 1:2/3.1?

Sure, but I also might not. The way this requested-enhancement was implemented, it wouldn't make any difference: the mail would not be routed to the boss.

Oh, in that case I agree it might be a bug.

I would have thought, if I'm a point, all mail would go to my boss (for final delivery), unless I had a specific relationship (and thus a configuration) directly to another system (including other points, either with a same boss as me, or a different boss).


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Re: Re: routing to points
By: deon to Digital Man on Sun Feb 19 2023 09:28 am

Re: Re: routing to points
By: Digital Man to deon on Sat Feb 18 2023 11:38 am

Why does that seem to be a bug?

I would think if my system had an AKA of 1:2/3.2 and I wanted to send a netmail to 1:2/3.1, it should still be auto-routed to the boss note (1:2/3.0) by default. No?

So you cant have a direct link to 1:2/3.1?

Sure, but I also might not. The way this requested-enhancement was implemented, it wouldn't make any difference: the mail would not be routed to the boss.

Oh, in that case I agree it might be a bug.

I would have thought, if I'm a point, all mail would go to my boss (for final delivery), unless I had a specific relationship (and thus a configuration) directly to another system (including other points, either with a same boss as me, or a different boss).

The logic was changed/fixed in a commit today. Try it out. Are you also Alterego?
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Re: Re: routing to points
By: Kurt Weiske to deon on Sat Feb 18 2023 08:11 am

The point would connect to the boss, not vice versa. Everything that was
to go to the point was routed through the boss first. No one, even the
boss, would need a direct route to the point.

And it could still be that way "by default", right?

My point (no pun intended), is if the point defines some direct links, then they should be honoured, as well as the ability to receive direct connections from other systems (if the sysop desired).


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Re: Re: routing to points
By: Digital Man to deon on Sat Feb 18 2023 02:57 pm

The logic was changed/fixed in a commit today. Try it out. Are you also Alterego?

Cool.

I'm not actually using any points at the moment, but I probably will down the track. So I'll let you know if something is not up.

I used the alias Alterego at some point, but dont anymore.

I would think if my system had an AKA of 1:2/3.2 and I wanted to send a netmail to 1:2/3.1, it should still be auto-routed to the boss note (1:2/3.0) by default. No?

Following on with this example, if I'm 1:2/3.2 and I want to send a Netmail to 1:2/4.2, *and* I have a configuration with 1:2/4.0 will sbbsecho package up my netmail for 1:2/4 or 1:2/3?

If it uses 1:2/3, I assume I can overrite it with a route 1:2/4.ALL to 1:2/4.0?


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Re: Re: routing to points
By: deon to Digital Man on Sun Feb 19 2023 10:59 am

Re: Re: routing to points
By: Digital Man to deon on Sat Feb 18 2023 02:57 pm

The logic was changed/fixed in a commit today. Try it out. Are you also Alterego?

Cool.

I'm not actually using any points at the moment, but I probably will down the track. So I'll let you know if something is not up.

I used the alias Alterego at some point, but dont anymore.

I would think if my system had an AKA of 1:2/3.2 and I wanted to send a netmail to 1:2/3.1, it should still be auto-routed to the boss note (1:2/3.0) by default. No?

Following on with this example, if I'm 1:2/3.2 and I want to send a Netmail to 1:2/4.2, *and* I have a configuration with 1:2/4.0 will sbbsecho package up my netmail for 1:2/4 or 1:2/3?

The netmail would be routed to 1:2/4.0.

If it uses 1:2/3, I assume I can overrite it with a route 1:2/4.ALL to 1:2/4.0?

SBBSecho doesn't do any routing based on the originating-address, only the destination address.
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deon wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

My point (no pun intended), is if the point defines some direct links, then they should be honoured, as well as the ability to receive direct connections from other systems (if the sysop desired).

That flies against the notion that defined a point - a private system
that doesn't connect directly to the rest of the world, because it's not
up 24/7 or isn't able to honor ZMH.

That being said, Z2 may see things differently; they distribute a
point list publicly - in the traditional sense a point list is just used
by the boss node.

If a point is accessible and makes arrangements to share their contact
info with an upstream node, that node can enter the information needed
to connect in the linked nodes section of sbbsecho, and the upstream
node can connect directly. That would override the default rule.




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